Inkyeong Kim, who is living as an everyday nomad in a city, is proposing a nomadic life that many people in the city can enjoy. She asked me to call her 'Lime' because she feels awkward to be called 'Inkyeong Kim'. There was special with her.



J-Space What is the 'Nomad City' project about?


Inkyeong Kim (hereinafter Lime) People keep seeing fantastic images of digital nomads such as images of someone working on a beach in a vacation destination, so those in the city feel great distance between that concept and the reality and as a result feel being a digital nomad is challenging. So, I called my project 'Nomad City' to suggest a nomadic life that people in the city can easily try out.


 In my last company, I led a project called 'One-day Nomad', which promoted the idea of being a nomad for one day every week by changing where they work in Seoul. At that time, I thought 'City' was an important key word that we were familiar with and that was not about going far away into the wild nature. This time, too, I name it Nomad City to go out and about in Juju city, which is relatively easy to access. I tried to exclude places that are hard to access because I wanted to suggest that those not extroverted or gutty can also be a digital nomad, that the identity I choose myself is more important, that it is not just about image not something challenging, and that the digital nomads can choose their own time and place.


 The situation in Korea is different from that in other countries. We Koreans are not familiar with digital nomads enjoying leisure activities, networking and parties, so it's difficult to just start doing those things. I initiated this project thinking that those introverted or rather a bit timid try being a digital nomad.



<Inkyeong Kim, working in J-Space, the center's co-working space.

She worked here and there in J-Space for a month and said she changed her seat every 2-3 hours to focus well.

It seems that she is a born nomad.>



J-Space You made a list of cafes in Jeju that are good to work in. How was your nomadic life in the center of Jeju? Maybe it wasn't so different from Seoul because it was a city center.


Lime Yes. It was very different. It's different from Seoul that you can find huge cafes on the beach if you take a bus from the accommodation just a little while. Furthermore, Jeju has a variety of beach sceneries from Aewol to Hyeopjae to Sehwa-ri. You can find the scenery and people's atmosphere are also different on the way to each place. Of course, the interior and menus of the cafes are similar to the ones in Seoul, so it is easier to get used to the environment, which is a plus.



<A cafe in Jeju introduced on Inkyeong Kim's Tumblr, which has the theme of 'Nomad City'>



<Jeju's co-working spaces and cafes good to work in, tagged on Inkyeong Kim's Tumblr, which has the theme of 'Nomad City'>



J-Space You worked on the 'Jeju Women Project' with Yeseul Nam, who also participated in this stay support program. I wonder how you two did the project together.


Lime: There were not many women and we were at the same age, so we got closer. Also, both of us were interested in feminism. There were only 4 women in total in this stay support program, so I wish the gender ratio were more balanced. Without considering why and how we came to work together, as a result, we were looking to do some project in Jeju. Then, our common interest is in feminism, so we wondered if there was any local figure who can be a role model for us. Haenyeos, representing Jeju, or Mandeok Kim are all females, so we decided to do a research on women in Jeju.


J-Space Is there any woman in Jeju you found impressive?


Lime For me, Jeongsook Choi, a woman who founded a school in Jeju, was incredibly sensational. She was among the first graduates of the first women's school. She finished her school in that era and went up to Seoul, but later came back to her hometown, Jeju. People from Jeju, including Mandeok Kim, even if they go to Seoul to do something, if they see what is missing in Jeju, they come back and found a school. That spirit may be what is special about Jeju. Though Mandeok Kim was acknowledged by King Jeongjo in Hanyang, she tried to do something for Jeju in the end. Jeongsook Choi also came back to Jeju, founded a school and worked as a doctor. She got a doctor's license when she was 38. You can see how incredible she is, but even people in Jeju don't know her very well. Actually, she is as incredible as Mandoek Kim. Daejeong Girls' Middle School and High School, Hallim Girls' Middle School and High School as well as Jeju Jungang Middle School, all of them were founded by Jeongsook Choi.


<'Jeju Women Project', introduced on Inkyeong Kim's Tumblr>



J-Space There were 4 women on the stay support program. You shared the room together.


Lime Yes, we liked it a lot. It was great. We inspired each other. I have a design major and my older sister has an art major, so we talk a lot about film art. It was fun in that sort of way. If I said I experienced this today in Jeju, then they would tell me lots of things like that could be the new concept I could work on, and it would go well. They gave me many advices while I was nomadizing. What and why do you want to do in that? Would people really like it if you do this? They talk about things like that. And there are some things that overlaps. So, it was a real fun.


J-Space You've met the company 'Dali' in our center and Jeju's 'IT Freelancer Community'. Do you have any other plans in Jeju?


Lime Firstly, I met Jejudali for the Jeju's Haenyeo project, and we had much more similar opinions than expected. So, we talked a lot. He/She is also from Jeju, but went to school in Seoul and came back, so he/she seems to have good understanding about both Jeju locals and the others. So, he/she told me a lot about what he/she learned while doing a business in Jeju. He/She needs someone to work who is interested in Jeju, so he/she had an ardent desire to work together. So, now we have a project to submit to a contest. Regarding oceans and fisheries products, we thought it would be great to work on it together, so we had a meeting just yesterday and are meeting again today for final submission.



 Inkyeong Kim is still living a nomadic life in Seoul. One thing that's different is that she continues to meet with the people she stayed together in Jeju to keep the connection. The cafes in Jeju that she earnestly reviewed on her Tumblr. The view, tables and chairs, main music genre and volume and even the toilet! It is full of every little detail for remote workers in Jeju. Highly recommended!



*The above script has been slightly modified from the original interview for readability and the order of interview has been reorganized while we try to maintain Interviewee's original words and intention as much as possible.



Contact of <Nomad City> Inkyeong Kim




 Null-Tea, a compound word meaning 'to brew (tea) what seems valueless (null)', is a social venture game startup that aims to make gradual changes to the world with games. Sinae Kim, the CEO of this beautifully named startup, also stayed in Jeju for one month through this April's stay support program in Jeju. She said, I'm really not a sociable person., but also unhesitatingly acknowledged that she had experienced lots of changes in the new environment in Jeju. There were so many things I wanted to ask that sensitive and honest woman.


J-Space: I love games, too. What kind of games do you like?


Sinae Kim: I was a Starcraft fanatic. Now, I play STEAM games sometimes. What's important is that I don't play games that much once I became a game developer.


J-Space: I wasn't very good at Starcraft and just played some simple games. There is this game called DarkEden with vampires. Nowadays I'm playing mobile games. There is a room escape game called The Room. It's not free, but I'm enjoying it a lot.


Sinae Kim: You are our potential customer!



<VERY PRIVATE GAME X MAKER, a game-making workshop of Null-Tea (left),

VERY PRIVATE X PLAYER, a reality game that the player accomplishes small goals in a form of a mission (right)>



J-Space: I wanted to talk about games the most! With selfish motives. Now you are planning another game related to teenagers in crisis, what made you interested in the two, teenagers in crisis and games?


Sinae Kim: Frankly, I wasn't interested in teenagers in crisis at first. I just liked developing games. Then, Smilegate held YES! SMILE project in 2015, which required us to make a game that we can put our emotion in rather than just a technical game. I was looking for a suitable subject and I paid attention to the teenagers in crisis. After I actually spent time with those teenagers, I felt sorry for them. I met one boy who especially caught my attention. I asked myself if there was anything I could do for him, if I could help make the life's direction through games, and so on. After the thoughts, I was convinced 'Ah. I can do that'. And I made a company combining the two.



 <The Queen Cuckoo and Nest of Vanity, a board game being developed by Null-Tea (left),

GOBACK, an emotional adventure game based on the real story of a teenager in crisis (right)>



J-Space: You also participated in our center's startup training program J-Academy and made another thing. You combined reading and game again.


Sinae Kim: Games are growing on commercial basis, so addictiveness is emphasized to make a game interesting. I think this is the dilemma game developers have. Our company aims to develop games that are not only interesting to play but also meaningful to the players. One of the games in line with that aim is the ALIVERARY project, combining reading with a game. It aims to help teenagers build up strength to protect themselves through reading. The start of this project was sort of for my own pleasure.. I had a goal. It started from the thought that it would be fun to have a program about being a detective for a murder case in a library. But, everyone was against it. Because that is too violent for children to play in school libraries.


J-Space: A library and a murder, how the two can be connected like that(...)


Sinae Kim: At first, I thought of a detective big game in a library. If you think of a detective plot, then it is a murder that's fun. Bet my granddad's name on it, you are the murderer! Something like this. But in the end, I agreed that a murder case is too much and people who worked on the project selected good books they had read and started to make it to a game. We did the first test of the game at Gimpo High School. That version was very clumsy in hindsight. But, the children were having so much fun. We lost track of time playing and then got totally exhausted. So, I was very happy. Because they were having fun. Later, we posted about it on an online cafe and some school libraries got in touch with us to request the game. That is continuing to this date.

 I'll explain about the game. We hide 5 books in the library in advance. And we allocate one random each team should find. Hints are in the library. You can get your own team's hints or other team's, so to achieve the goal, you need to keep negotiating with other teams and exchange the hints. In the end, you win if you get the title of the book. The hints have good excerpts from the book, names of the characters and other information on the book. Children take a close look at the hints playing these games. And it stimulates their curiosity.

 I don't think you need to read the whole book. I think it is important to read books that suit you. Rather than pressuring children to read, this program introduces many books that seem interesting to them.



<ALIVERARY, a reading education service in the form of a big game (offline game)

where 30 teenagers gather in a library (a space with books) to explore the space together, communicate and negotiate.>



J-Space: You said you needed healing, but you seemed like you were into 'work' more than anybody else.


Sinae Kim: It was because of J-Academy (J-CCEI Startup Training Program). During the first week, I can confidently say I was 'healing' better than anyone else. I walked around Jeju in the morning and worked in the evening. I only worked for about 4 hours a day and then just had fun for the rest of the day. But, the moment I had J-Academy! It opened my 'hell gate'. I felt a super strong urge to work. And I got myself into a labor hell in Jeju. I had an inspiration and started working on it. I worked hard on giving business shape to the library project ALIVERARY. In fact, this one had the best response among our projects. But, I didn't know when I had to develop this project. So, I was just feeling out possibilities. I think it was when I participated in J-Academy that I decided to develop it aggressively. So, I worked on it really hard.


J-Space: You did the pattern book project, attended the StoryFunding Kakao class. You seem to have a lot of interest in writing or publishing as well.


Sinae Kim: I like books, so I also like writing books. My books were mostly about tools. In the future, I would like to write about my emotion in a form of an essay. I thought I would try when I applied for Jejudaum(J-CCEI Stay Support Program in Jeju). Also, one day, I went to an electronic books meet-up that was recommended by Jeju. At that time, I set a goal, wanting to publish an electronic book. And once, one of the members of the meet-up invited me to his house, which was a great experience. Here in Jeju, I focused a lot on myself and the environment. I'm not good at socializing with strangers. I don't really know what to talk about with the ones I stay here with and I don't know how to approach people I meet for the first time, but there, I could naturally talk with them and I loved that unique atmosphere. I could focus on people when I came to Jeju thanks to the talks I had there. I got to think a lot about feeling about living in Jeju. It was just superb. The very feeling. I didn't feel awkward. It means a lot that I, who is shy of strangers, did not feel awkward.


J-Space: I can't see that you are shy. It's not noticeable. You might have changed a bit in Jeju. When you said you felt a change, it sounded like your confession. How was the one month in Jeju?


Sinae Kim: It left me much to be desired because I can have good conversations with someone only after meeting that person on a regular basis for about a year and this one month was too short for networking. I felt this time that I felt out of place because I wasn't good at distinguishing when to focus on the work and when to have a conversation. It was difficult to go talk to people when they are working, and I thought it would be the same for them when I am working. That's really about timing, but it wasn't easy to catch. In contrast, Soojeong (who was also a participant in this stay) does that kind of thing very well. Thanks to her, I had someone to talk to and wasn't so lonely. What I also liked about her very much is that our conversation went so smooth as she came here as a cultural artist. It was same with Lime (who was also a participant in this stay). Other participants with a specialty in IT talked a lot about technical subjects, so I was confused what to share with them about my project. I realized that too late. I've been blog-posting about my stay in Jeju, but I've never thought my blogging would be helpful for them. Yesterday, I realized it was helpful.


J-Space: Yes. Although it was not a direct cooperation, but you constantly shared your process of creation. So, it gives them inspiration such as, ah, this person feels this way and the technology can be applied this way or it will lead to creation this way.


Sinae Kim: Yes. You just reminded me of something. I've learned the sales people's mindset a bit. I was running a business, but I didn't have that mindset. I didn't know how to bring up my business in a conversation naturally, then I observed how other participants do and roughly learned how to approach. I thought about the same thing looking at Bongjun (who was also a participant in this stay) and Soojeong. Yongsung Shin (who was also a participant in this stay) had his own company for a long time, so I asked a lot about his colleagues. I liked the opportunity to hear about his leadership.


J-Space: I also learn a lot from observing myself and other employees. What I don't have. You were already working remotely, so you may have been able to felt something similar to that. I saw you working in J-Space. You have such strong concentration.


Sinae Kim: I liked working alone late at night after everyone left. Those hours were so precious. I will keep thinking about it. From this chance, I think I developed confidence about working remotely. I can do it wherever I go! I can do it wherever I am if I have a laptop and a tablet. It was a good test for me. My younger sister majors in music. I am going to recommend her to apply for this stay. she is still a university student. I think there will be so much for her to learn here.



 Sinae Kim, who came to Jeju on the stay support program and brewed and drank up April's energy released by Jeju just like a tea-bag, participating in all April programs of the center from the startup training program, J-Academy, business idea pitching to Kakao class! Once you have talked with her, you will know she is not as shy as you expected.


*The above script has been slightly modified from the original interview for readability and the order of interview has been reorganized while we try to maintain Interviewee's original words and intention as much as possible.



Contact of <NULL-TEA> Sinae Kim




 We could meet Yongseong Shin, the CEO of an online marketing portal service company 'i-boss' with a name sounding like an IT-company, for one month at J-Space. He wasn't well off when he was young and he involuntarily considered starting his own company. He gave a lot of thought how to increase the number of the winners in a startup market where now there is only one winner. From there, he founded 'i-boss' from the concept of 'defining one's own market and be the boss'. Since then, the boss of 'i-boss', Yongseong Shin he has been running the business for more than 15 years. I was curious what made him decide to come to Jeju on April's stay support program, leaving the staff and family behind in Seoul.



Yongseong Shin (hereinafter Boss): Firstly, I can get around most freely (because I am the CEO). In fact, many CEOs of growing companies have to work hands on, but because we have been running quite many years and have the set structure, so I don't have to do the hands-on work (laugh). That's why I can get around freely. On the other hand, it is good for the CEO to actually see and feel to be sure, so I decided to come myself.


J-Space: Among the businesses you are working on, you seeked for a possibility if you would be able to do education and marketing agency in Jeju, and you wanted to do a market research as to how merchants in Jeju are marketing their business, which is why you applied for Jeju stay support program. You had a purpose of expanding your business. How was your remote work experience in Jeju away from your Seoul office?


Boss: I came to think about applying my work patterns and scheduling in Jeju to the Seoul office. For example, in Seoul, the day passes by so quickly talking and working with our staff. Then, I am left with not much time to focus. Even when I try to plan something in my office room, our staff keep coming to me (laugh). That made me feel a little bit exhausted, but in Jeju, I have been in an independent, well, rather than 'independent', a space away from the staff, so I could focus on my work. So, I actually worked more in Jeju. I was just going to have fun! You know, the staff can plan small projects, but the CEO should plan the big ones. So, I'm thinking I might be a 'digital nomad in Seoul'.


J-Space: During your stay, you often ate with other participants here. Did you get any special inspiration for your big planning (laugh)?


Boss: There's nothing much like that, to be honest. I haven't got any special inspiration for my planning, but there are so many people from startups, so I was motivated to look back on my original resolution and be more passionate about my work. I think the 'different space' gave me the biggest inspiration. Where no one knows me. Actually, one i-boss member makes furniture, but in winter, he comes down to Jeju to pick tangerines at his father's farm and sell them on the Internet. He often travels between Seoul and Jeju. When he runs out of ideas, then he comes to Jeju and work better. After one month in Jeju, he feels a bit lazy, then he goes back to Seoul. He said it's efficient to move back and forth like this and I can understand it now. I am considering letting our staff participate in this stay support program from June. It's already a bit late for May.



<Yongseong Shin, the CEO of i-boss, spent a month in Jeju on April's stay support program by J-CCEI.

What is he planning in the stay support zone without independent space or a cubicle?>



J-Space: Do you have any intention to apply remote work system to i-boss in a long-term?


Boss: We are a bit different. We already have a 'responsible work' system and there is no set office hours. So, we don't check in and out with fingerprints. There is no concept of being late, half day off or leaving early. All of them decide when to come and when to leave. Despite this, it is difficult for us to adopt a complete remote work system because we operate on a team basis and different teams need to cooperate each other. If one of the team members inevitably has to work home for a day, then it is okay. But, a complete remote work structure would harm the synergy, so, we are not doing it. Our work is marketing and online marketing has a vast range of fields. One team is specialized in keyword advertisement, another in SNS advertisement, still another in strategy or the other in analysis. They cover all the areas, but with different focus. The advertiser wants an integrated service, so they often have been working with one team, but then ask another team about something. Then, we gather and share information, ask and learn from each other. This is our culture and remote work doesn't necessarily fit. 

 But still, it's worth giving it a meaningful consideration. Now that industries are moving from analog to digital, data is the most important thing. And the demand for data keeps getting subdivided. The data should come from all over the world and eventually, the industry will gradually take the form of local individuals collecting data and companies processing and restructuring such collected data in a meaningful way. In that sense, remote work corresponds well to this changing industry trend. So, I think it is good. The business model should be suitable for it to work. Companies have their existing business models. So, I think it's not appropriate to tell them to adopt remote work because remote work is good. Rather, the right approach would be that a new business environment is forming and this model goes along well, so you'd better not hold on to your existing business model.


J-Space: We should reflect your point to our business plans. What did you think about i-boss staff's stay on this program in June?


Boss: We have some staff managing advertisements. They focus only on the advertisement management itself. There are analysis team and development team as well. So, I'm thinking of asking them for application, but I'm not sure yet if they can actually come. I want to open their ways and give them more options.


J-Space: It sounds like ordering tangsuyuk first instead of jajangmyeon in a Chinese restaurant. I heard you have the goal that all the employees become independent and run their own business.


Boss: Yes. Though not everyone because each person has different personality. The ones who wants to be independent do as they want and the others who wants to stay as an instructor, an executive or an expert do as they want. Some people don't like to take responsibilities. Some people are very competent, but don't like to lead others because it is bothersome. So, my goal with those people is to make them an expert, an instructor, an executive or even an independent CEO of a company that has been spun off. So, I define my company as a platform. Many misunderstood it as an IT company.



<When asked the place he likes in J-Space, J-CCEI Co-working Space,

he just chose the cafeteria. Click! Yongseong Shin, who looks good in a fleece>



 A platform where every employee can grow and become independent! The name 'i-boss' is indeed suitable. He did not forget to say thank you that he met so many nice people. Yongseong Shin suggested that Jeju stay support program should continue and there should be a chief participant for each program session.



*The above script has been slightly modified from the original interview for readability and the order of interview has been reorganized while we try to maintain Interviewee's original words and intention as much as possible.




Contact of <i-boss> Yongseong Shin








 ‘아무 가치 없어 보이는 것들을 새롭게 우려낸다’라는 합성어 Null-Tea는 게임으로 세상을 조금씩 변화시키고자 하는 소셜 벤처 게임 스타트업입니다. 이런 예쁜 이름을 가진 스타트 업의 대표, 김신애님 역시 4월 체류지원프로그램을 통해 한달 간 제주에 체류했습니다.  ‘나는 정말 사교적인 사람이 아니에요’라고 했지만, 제주라는 새로운 환경에서 스스로의 변화를 느꼈다고 서슴없이 고백해줬습니다. 예민하고 솔직한 그, 묻고 싶은 게 너무 많았습니다.



J-Space 저도 게임을 너무 좋아하는데, 어떤 게임 좋아하세요? 


김신애(이하 티백) 과거 스타크래프트 광팬이었어요. 요즘은 가끔 STEAM 게임을 하고 있고. 게임 개발자가 되고 나서부터 게임을 잘 안는 것 같아요, 중요 한 건.


J-Space 전 스타크래프트는 잘 못했고 거상, 이런 아기자기한 게임들. 다크에덴이라고 뱀파이어 나오는게 게임. 요즘은 모바일 게임. 더룸이라고 방탈출게임 유료인데 엄청 재미있게 하고 있어요.


티백 잠재적 고객님이시네요.



<널티에서 운영 중인 모바일 게임 제작 워크숍 “아주사적인게임 X MAKER”(왼),

실제  자신이 가진 소소한 목표를 게임 미션 형태로 수행하는 현실게임 “아주사적인게임 X PLAYER”(오)>



J-Space 제일 하고 싶던 얘기가 게임이었습니다! 사심토크로. 지금 기획 중인 게임이 또 위기 청소년과 관련이 있는데, 위기청소년과 게임이라 이 두 가지에 관심을 가지게 된 계기가 있나요?


티백 사실 제가 처음부터 위기청소년들에는 관심이 있었던건 아니에요. 게임 개발만 좋아했었는데 2015년 스마일게이트에서 진행했던 YES! SMILE 공모사업에서 기술적인 게임이 아니라 자신의 감정을 넣을 수 있는 게임을 만드는 워크숍 기획이 선정됐었고, 적합한 대상을 찾다가 위기청소년에게 주목하게 됐어요. 그렇게 이 녀석들하고 실제 함께하다 보니까 마음이 조금 아프더라고요. 어떤 한 친구가 눈에 되게 많이 들어왔어요. 워크숍이 끝난 후에도 제가 이 친구에게 뭔가 더 해줄 수 있는게 없을까? 게임을 통해 삶의 방향성을 만들어줄 수는 없을까? 이런 질문들을 하다가 ‘아, 그럴 수 있겠다’ 라는 확신이 들어서 게임과 위기청소년, 이 두 가지를 조합해 회사를 설립하게 됐습니다.



<널티에서 개발 중인 보드게임 “뻐꾸기여왕과 허영의 둥지”(왼),

위기청소년의 실화를 바탕으로 제작 중인 1인칭 강성 어드벤처 게임 "GOBACK"(오)>



J-Space 저희 센터 창업교육프로그램 J-Academy에도 참여를 하셔서 결과물을 좀 볼 수 있었는데, 독서와 게임을 또 조합했더라고요.


티백 게임이라는 것이 상업적인 토대에서 성장하고 있다 보니 재미를 만드는 요소에서 중독성을 강조한 구조가 생겨나고 있어요. 이 점이 게임개발자가 가지는 딜레마인 것 같아요. 저희 회사는 플레이를 하면서 재미도 가져가고 어떤 의미도 가져갈 수 있는 게임을 개발하는 것이 목표에요. 그 중에 하나가 독서와 게임을 조합한 ALIVERARY 프로젝트인데요. 독서를 통해 스스로를 지킬 수 있는 힘이 생겨나길 지향하고 있어요. 이 프로젝트가 시작된 것이 제 개인적인 즐거움랄까, 목표가 있었는데. 도서관에서 어떤 살인사건이 일어나서 추리하는 형태의 프로그램이 있으면 재밌겠다 라는 생각이 시발점이었어요. 그런데 다들 말렸어요. 학교 도서관에서 아이들이 하기에는 너무 자극적이다 라고요


J-Space 도서관과 살인, 이 두 가지가 어떻게 이렇게 건너뛰어서 연결될 수 있는거지(...)


티백 처음에는 도서관이라는 공간에서 추리할 수 있는 빅게임을 생각했었고, 추리니까 역시 살인사건이어야 재밌잖아요. 할아버지의 이름을 걸고 범인은 바로 너야! 이런거. 하지만 역시 살인사건은 너무 자극적이다라는 의견에 동의하게 되었고, 프로젝트에 참여했던 사람들이 그동안 봐왔던 좋은 책들을 선별하여 그것을 게임으로 만들기 시작했는데, 지금 생각하면 참 어설픈 버전으로 김포고등학교에서 그 첫 번째 테스트를 했었어요. 그런데 아이들이 진짜 재미있게 놀아주는 거에요. 그때 엄청 정신없이 놀고 끝난 뒤 모두 다 지쳤었던 것이 생각나요. 그래서 저도 너무 기쁜 거예요. 재미있게 놀아주니까. 그 뒤로 어느 온라인 카페에 저희 이런거 했어요 라고 글을 올렸는데 학교 도서관들에게서 저희도 와서 해주세요 라는 전화가 왔고, 그렇게 시작한 것이 지금까지 이어지고 있어요. 

 게임은 이런 거에요. 다섯 권의 책을 사전에 저희가 도서관에 숨겨놔요.  그리고 각 팀에게 찾아야 될 책 1권을 랜덤으로 나누어 줍니다. 찾아야 되는 책들의 힌트는 도서관에서 찾아야 해요. 그러다 보면 내 팀의 것도 들어올 수 있고, 남의 팀의 것도 들어올 수 있는데 목표에 잘 도달하기 위해서는 다른 팀과 협상하면서 계속해서 교환해 나가야 해요. 그리고 마지막, 책 제목을 맞추면 이기는 거에요. 힌트 안에는 책의 좋은 문구들을 발췌해서 적어 넣거나, 캐릭터 이름, 책의 정보들이 들어 있어요. 이런 게임하는 과정에서 아이들이 그 힌트들을 굉장히 자세하게 들여다 보거든요. 이를 통해 책의 호기심을 자극하게 되요. 

 저는 책 전체를 다 읽을 필요는 없다고 생각해요. 자기한테 맞는 책을 읽는 것이 중요하지. 책 읽기를 강요하기 보다 게임을 통해 재미있어 보이는 책들을 많이 만들어 주는 것이 이 프로그램의 취지에요.



 <30인의 청소년들이 도서관(책이 있는 공간)에 모여 공간을 함께 모험하고,

서로 소통하며 협상하는 빅게임(오프라인 게임) 형태의 독서 교육 서비스 ALIVERARY>



J-Space 체류지원 초기에 힐링이 필요하다 했는데, 누구보다 ‘일’에 열중하는 것 같았어요.


티백 J-Academy(센터 창업교육프로그램) 때문이에요. 힐링을 첫 주까지 누구보다 제일 잘 하고 있었다고 자부했는데, 아침에 제주도 돌아다니고 저녁에 들어와서 일하고 그랬거든요. 일하는 시간은 한 네 시 간 정도밖에 안됐었고, 그 나머지 다 놀았어요. 그런데 J-Academy 딱 듣는 순간, 저의 헬게이트를 열어준 느낌? 일을 해야겠다는 뽐뿌를 막 저한테 주는 거에요. 제주도에서 노동 지옥을 맛봤어요. 그 뒤로 막 떠오르는 영감이 생겨서 일하기 시작했는데 방금 말씀 드린 도서관 프로젝트 ALIVERARY에 대해 사업적으로 구체화 시키는 작업을 열심히 했어요. 사실 저희가 하던 사업 중에 가장 반응이 좋았는데 제가 어떤 시점에서 이것을 크게 키워야 하는지 잘 모르겠는 거예요. 그래서 2년동안 타진만 하고 있었어요. 공격적으로 진행해 봐야겠다라고 J-Academy를 참여했던 시점에 결정했던 것 같습니다. 그래서 굉장히 열심히 하게 되었습니다.


J-Space 개인적으로는 또 패턴북 프로젝트를 진행했고, 스토리펀딩 카카오클래스도 듣고. 글쓰기나 출판 쪽에도 관심이 많은 것 같아요.


티백 책이 좋으니까 책 쓰는 것도 좋아해요. 그동안 썼던 책은 툴 위주였어요. 앞으로는 제가 느끼는 어떤 감정들을 에세이 형태로 쓰고 싶은데, 체류지원프로그램인 '제주다움'을 지원하면서 한번 실행해 봐야겠다 생각하게 되었죠. 또 제주에서 추천해주신 전자책 모임에 한번 갔었어요. 그때 전자책도 출판해 보고 싶다는 목표가 생겼었고, 또 하나는 모임 멤버 중 한 분의 집으로 직접 초대 해주셨는데 그게 참 좋은 경험이었어요. 여기 제주 와서는 저와 환경에 많이 집중을 했었거든요. 제가 처음 보는 사람과 사귐을 잘 못해요. 여기 체류 같이 하는 분들과도 어떤 매개로 이야기를 나누어야 할지 잘 모르겠고, 처음 보는 사람들에게 어떻게 다가가야 할지 모르는데 거기 가서는 그 분들과 자연스럽게 이야기 할 수 있었어요. 그 특유의 분위기가 너무 좋았어요. 거기서 나눈 이야기 덕분에 제주 와서 사람들한테 집중할 수 있는 포인트가 된 것 같아요. 제주에 산다는 건 약간 이런 느낌이겠구나 하는걸 많이 생각하게 되었고. 그게 그냥 되게 좋았어요. 느낌 적인 느낌. 어색하지가 않았더라구요, 낯을 엄청 가리는 제가 어색하지 않았다는 게 참 중요한 의미를 남깁니다.


J-Space 낯가리는거 못 느끼겠어요. 티가 안 나. 제주에서 좀 달라지신건가. 스스로 변화를 느꼈다 고 말씀하신게, 자기고백처럼 들렸어요. 제주에서 한 달은 어땠나요?


티백 제가 좀 아쉬운 게 사람은 1년 정도는 꾸준히 봐야지 말도 잘하고 그러는데, 한 달 가지고 네트워킹을 하기엔 저는 힘들더라구요. 이번에 느낀 거지만 제가 몰입 해야 될 때와 대화해야 할 때를 잘 구분 못 하겠어서 겉돌았던 거 같아요. 왜냐하면 작업하고 있을 때 가서 대화 걸기가 힘들었고, 또 제가 몰입하고 있을 때 타인도 그럴 거라고 생각을 했어요. 그게 참 타이밍인데 그걸 잘 못 잡겠더라구요. 그런데 (같은 체류지원자인)수정님은 그런걸 되게 잘하세요. 덕분에 이야기 할 수 있는 대상이 계셔서 적적하지 않았습니다. 게다가 수정님이 되게 좋았던 것은, 문화예술인으로 체류지원 오신거라 대화가 잘 통했고, (같은 체류지원자인) 라임씨도 마찬가지였고요. 다른 IT쪽에서 오신 분들은 기술적으로 대화를 많이 하셔서 제가 하고 있는 프로젝트와 어떤 것을 공유해야 하는지 감을 잘 못 잡았었어요. 그게 너무 느지막히 안 것 같아요. 저도 지금 제주 체류 관련해서 블로그에 기록하고 있는데, 그런 것들이 저 분들한테 도움이 될 수 있을 거라는걸 꿈에도 상상하지 못했어요. 그런데 어제 보니까, 이게 도움이 되는거였더라구요.


J-Space 맞아요. 직접적인 협업은 아니더라도 사실은 창작 과정을 끊임없이 공유해 줬잖아요. 그래서 그분들한테는 아, 이런 사람은 이렇게 느끼고 이렇게 기술을 적용할 수 있겠구나 또는 어떻게 창작으로 연결되겠네 하는 영감을 받는.


티백 네. 그 말씀하시니까 생각나는게 저는 영업하시는 분들 마인드를 좀 배운 것 같아요. 제가 사업을 하고 있으나 그런게 전혀 없었거든요. 어떻게 회사 일을 자연스럽게 끄집어내서 사람들과 대화를 이끌어나가야 하는지 몰랐는데 체류지원 같이 하는 분들 보면서 아, 이런 식으로 접근하는거구나 라고 대략 좀 알았던 것 같아요. (같은 체류지 원자인)봉준님이나 수정님 보면서도 그런 생각했어요. (같은 체류지원자 인)신용성님은 회사를 오래 운영하셨으니까 함께 일하는 사람에 대해서 제가 많이 여쭤봤거든요. 그 분의 리더쉽에 들을 수 있는 기회가 되어서 좋았어요.


J-Space 저도 직장에서 저와 다른 직원들을 관찰하면서 많이 배우거든요, 제가 없는 부분들. 이미 스타트업을 리모트워크 방식으로 하고 계셔서 여기 함께 체류하는 참여자들에게 비슷하게 느낄 수 있었나봐요. J-Space에서 일하는 모습을 보면, 집중력이 대단하던데요.


티백 저는 좋았던 게, 사람들 다 빠져나가고 새벽에 J-Space에서 작업하는 시간이 너무 소중했요. 계속 생각날 것 같아요. 리모트워크는 이번 기회로 자신이 생긴 것 같아요. 어딜가나 할 수 있겠다! 노트북과 타블렛만 있으면 어디든지 작업할 수 있겠다! 저한테도 좋은 테스트였던 것 같아요. 제 동생이 음악 하거든요. 제 동생한테 체류지원 해보라고 하려고요. 아직 대학생이에요. 한 번 오면 배울게 되게 많겠다 싶어요.



 체류지원프로그램으로 제주에 와서 창업교육프로그램 J-Academy, 사업아이디어 피칭, 카카오클래스까지 센터의 4월 프로그램은 모두 섭렵하며, 제주가 내뿜는 4월의 에너지를 마치 티백처럼 우려 드신 김신애님! 그와 진정 이야기를 나눠보고 싶다면, 생각보다 낯 덜 가린다는 걸 알게 될겁니다.



*인터뷰이의 말과 의도를 최대한 살리되 읽기 불편한 부분은 조금 교정하고 인터뷰의 순서는 재구성 했습니다.


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